Hoffburger Posted July 25 Posted July 25 The 45 degree rule seems to only be applied to vehicles now (where you can lean a base up to 45 degrees on an obstacle so long as the model is stable). This leads to some questions: When determining if an obstacle is higher than a silhouette for purposes of being able to move through it or requiring a climb action...do you measure the height from the model's base? Example 1a: A building is 3" tall and a silhouette is 3" tall. If the model is next to the building, do you measure from the top of the model's base or from the ground? Example 1b: A building is 3" tall and a silhouette is 3" tall. If a model's base is leaning on a building. Do you measure from the base that is .2" up the wall or from the ground? Example 2: A building is 3" tall, a silhouette is 3" tall, and the model is standing on a box that is 1" tall without overhanging. Can the model now move to the building without a climb? Example 3: A building is 3" tall, a silhouette is 3" tall, and the building has the same box from Example 2 next to it that is 1" tall, but the model starts near the box instead of on the box. Can the model place the movement tool such that the model would travel in a path onto the box first and then the building, or does this require a climb? TL;DR: Do you measure from the base or from the ground when determining if you need to climb? Do you need to climb if you can establish a path that would move up an obstacle in increments?
Seth Posted August 29 Posted August 29 Hi there, On 7/25/2024 at 7:58 AM, Hoffburger said: When determining if an obstacle is higher than a silhouette for purposes of being able to move through it or requiring a climb action...do you measure the height from the model's base? Example 1a: A building is 3" tall and a silhouette is 3" tall. If the model is next to the building, do you measure from the top of the model's base or from the ground? The silhouette is placed beside the base, touching it as appropriate as described in the Line of Sight entry. For a miniature flat on the battlefield or other surface, you are in essence measuring the height of a miniature's silhouette beginning from the surface it is on. The silhouette is not placed overlapping the base, and so you will not "add" the the thickness of the base to the height of the silhouette. On 7/25/2024 at 7:58 AM, Hoffburger said: Example 1b: A building is 3" tall and a silhouette is 3" tall. If a model's base is leaning on a building. Do you measure from the base that is .2" up the wall or from the ground? You determine the silhouette using any part of the base. You may measure from the elevated portion of the base. On 7/25/2024 at 7:58 AM, Hoffburger said: Example 2: A building is 3" tall, a silhouette is 3" tall, and the model is standing on a box that is 1" tall without overhanging. Can the model now move to the building without a climb? Yes, as the miniature's silhouette is higher than the obstacle terrain due to its elevated starting position. On 7/25/2024 at 7:58 AM, Hoffburger said: Example 3: A building is 3" tall, a silhouette is 3" tall, and the building has the same box from Example 2 next to it that is 1" tall, but the model starts near the box instead of on the box. Can the model place the movement tool such that the model would travel in a path onto the box first and then the building, or does this require a climb? The unit will have to perform a climb to place its movement tool overlapping obstacle terrain taller than its silhouette. In other words, this determination is made at the beginning of the move. ------------------------------------------------------------------ On 7/25/2024 at 7:58 AM, Hoffburger said: Do you measure from the base or from the ground when determining if you need to climb? You measure from the base. This may or may not mean the silhouette is placed touching the battlefield, as this depends where the miniature is at the beginning of its move. On 7/25/2024 at 7:58 AM, Hoffburger said: Do you need to climb if you can establish a path that would move up an obstacle in increments? Yes. You may not place the movement tool overlapping terrain it may not move onto or over. Hope this helps, Seth
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