Climbing & Overhanging Obstacle Terrain

[JhayRhod]

Hello, 

I'm looking for some clarification on these portions of the CRB and how they work with elevated obstacle terrain that is higher than a trooper unit's silhouette, up to height 1, and has an overhang that is not directly touching the battlefield.  This would include things like an elevated landing platform, bridge, or a platform surrounding an Endor tree:  

"When performing a standard move, the movement tool is placed flat on the battlefield." CRB pg. 23.   

"Miniatures can make standard moves onto or through obstacle terrain that is shorter than the height of the moving unit’s silhouette. When placing the movement tool, it may not overlap an obstacle terrain feature that is taller than the moving miniature’s silhouette.  When a unit is overlapping an obstacle terrain feature, it may perform a standard move if the vertical distance changed is not greater than the height of the moving unit’s silhouette. If they wish to move onto, off of, or through obstacle terrain greater than the height of their silhouette, they must instead perform a climb. Miniatures on notched bases may not climb." CRB pg. 25. 

"To perform a climb, a unit performs a move as normal, except that it must use the speed-1 tool. A miniature may move a vertical distance up to height 1 when making a climb and may place the movement tool overlapping obstacle terrain that is taller than the height of the moving unit’s silhouette."  CRB pg. 25.

 

1) In stating that the movement tool cannot overlap an obstacle terrain "feature" that is taller than the moving miniature’s silhouette, is "feature" just referring to the portion of the obstacle terrain that is directly underneath/touching the movement tool or is it referring to the entirety of the obstacle terrain piece that the movement tool is overlapping?      

2) To determine whether the movement tool would be "overlapping" a piece of obstacle terrain that is taller than the unit's silhouette, up to height 1 (and the place from/over which we would have to, or could, perform a climb with the speed-1 tool), do we look at the obstacle terrain from a top-down, 2D perspective, or do we proceed along the movement tool, placed flat on the battlefield, until the movement tool begins to cross the actual footprint of the obstacle terrain and start the speed-1 climb from there?

3) If the overlap is determined from a top-down, 2D perspective, a non-notched base trooper could perform a climb onto, or off, of obstacle terrain that is higher than the trooper unit's silhouette, up to height 1, like the middle of a suspended bridge or the edge of an elevated platform, regardless of whether the obstacle terrain feature is actually touching the battlefield at the point which the speed-1 tool crosses from the battlefield to the obstacle terrain (or vice versa) during the climb, correct? 

4) If the overlap is determined from the point where the movement tool would begin to cross the actual footprint of the obstacle terrain on the battlefield, would a non-notched based trooper be able to perform a climb onto obstacle terrain that would also require moving through an overhang directly above the trooper? Is so, would the trooper be able to be placed anywhere within speed-1 from that point on top of the elevated terrain?  I believe there was something similar with Jump X and jumping through ceilings/roofs in the archived forums.  

5) If the overlap is determined from the point where the movement tool would begin to cross the actual footprint of the obstacle terrain on the battlefield and the trooper cannot climb up through an overhang directly above the trooper, that would mean a non-notched base trooper would need something like a ladder to be able to access the overhanging obstacle terrain like a ladder or similar, correct? 

 

Thanks for your time!

 

 

 

[AMG_Dursum]

14 minutes ago, JhayRhod said:

1) In stating that the movement tool cannot overlap an obstacle terrain "feature" that is taller than the moving miniature’s silhouette, is "feature" just referring to the portion of the obstacle terrain that is directly underneath/touching the movement tool or is it referring to the entirety of the obstacle terrain piece that the movement tool is overlapping? 

The height of the feature that you are trying to climb on. Remember some pieces of terrain can be made up of multiple parts/heights.

 

15 minutes ago, JhayRhod said:

2) To determine whether the movement tool would be "overlapping" a piece of obstacle terrain that is taller than the unit's silhouette, up to height 1 (and the place from/over which we would have to, or could, perform a climb with the speed-1 tool), do we look at the obstacle terrain from a top-down, 2D perspective, or do we proceed along the movement tool, placed flat on the battlefield, until the movement tool begins to cross the actual footprint of the obstacle terrain and start the speed-1 climb from there?

The former. 

 

16 minutes ago, JhayRhod said:

3) If the overlap is determined from a top-down, 2D perspective, a non-notched base trooper could perform a climb onto, or off, of obstacle terrain that is higher than the trooper unit's silhouette, up to height 1, like the middle of a suspended bridge or the edge of an elevated platform, regardless of whether the obstacle terrain feature is actually touching the battlefield at the point which the speed-1 tool crosses from the battlefield to the obstacle terrain (or vice versa) during the climb, correct? 

Correct.

 

16 minutes ago, JhayRhod said:

4) If the overlap is determined from the point where the movement tool would begin to cross the actual footprint of the obstacle terrain on the battlefield, would a non-notched based trooper be able to perform a climb onto obstacle terrain that would also require moving through an overhang directly above the trooper? Is so, would the trooper be able to be placed anywhere within speed-1 from that point on top of the elevated terrain?  I believe there was something similar with Jump X and jumping through ceilings/roofs in the archived forums. 

I'm not sure I 100% follow, but yes, you can climb through the "ceiling" or floor of a terrain feature, unless you and your opponent decide that it is impassable.

 

18 minutes ago, JhayRhod said:

5) If the overlap is determined from the point where the movement tool would begin to cross the actual footprint of the obstacle terrain on the battlefield and the trooper cannot climb up through an overhang directly above the trooper, that would mean a non-notched base trooper would need something like a ladder to be able to access the overhanging obstacle terrain like a ladder or similar, correct? 

I believe the answer to the previous question answers this.