overrun and impossible moves

[Carey]

Hi.

The new text for overrun states that you can do an attack if the maneuver tool overlaps an ennemy unit, and its answered in this thread that you can do the overrun attack on that sole condition, even if the overrunning unit does a partial move and stops before the attacked unit, in melee or not (as seen in this thread.

What about the impossible moves, or "forced partial moves" ?

1) terrain impeding movement
Lets say i have some Swoops. They want to overrun some unit, but that unit is partially hidden behind a wall corner, that the swoops cannot pass (typical example of CRB page 24). they are gonna stop their movement "bumping" the wall, can they do the overrun attack then?  (pic related: lets say the obstacle is height 2)

2) unable to reach target's height

Second case: lets say i have some geonosians that want to overrun an unit. But between them, there is a height 4 wall. Geonosians cannot jump over that wall, but they can place the manoeuver tool over it, overlapping the target, and stopping their movement near the wall. Can they do the overrun attack? very similar question: the moving unit cannot reach the height of the target (pictured: swoops with Speeder 1 and Scouts on a Height 2 building). Since the tool overlaps them, can the overrun attack occur?

3): leaving battlefield

Last one, using the "leaving the battlefield" blue insert that states "Units may not voluntarily end a movement with any of its miniature’s bases partially or fully outside the battlefield. A miniature may leave the battlefield temporarily if it ends its movement with its base fully inside the battlefield, such as when a unit with a notched base moves along the movement tool. If this is not possible, the miniature stops its movement when it contacts the edge of the battlefield, then it loses any remaining actions and may not perform any free actions."

Lets say i have a Dewback in that case: he wants to make a move that makes him leaving the battlefield, but since he cannot end his move on the battlefield (due to some terrain or miniature standing in the way), he "bumps" the edge and thus, looses the ability to make a free attack action granted by Relentless keyword.

Lets say i have Swoops in the same exact case: they "bump" the edge, but as Overrun is not described as an action, but as an attack, they can do the overrun attack?

 

thanks!

[Seth]

Hello,

To reproduce the relevant text from the Overrun entry below, for reference:

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(...) A unit with an overrun weapon can perform an overrun attack after it performs a standard move in which the movement tool or one of its miniatures’ bases overlapped an enemy miniature’s base. After completing the move and resolving any displacement, the unit with the overrun weapon performs an attack against the unit it moved through, ignoring range when making this attack. (...)

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2 hours ago, Carey said:

1) terrain impeding movement
Lets say i have some Swoops. They want to overrun some unit, but that unit is partially hidden behind a wall corner, that the swoops cannot pass (typical example of CRB page 24). they are gonna stop their movement "bumping" the wall, can they do the overrun attack then?  (pic related: lets say the obstacle is height 2)

Yes, they may perform an overrun attack after such a move, so long as their movement was placed legally and overlapped an enemy unit when doing so.

Note: for most units, "When placing the movement tool, it may not overlap an obstacle terrain feature that is taller than the moving miniature's silhouette" (from Moving Through Terrain). For your unit specifically, Swoop Bikers modify this to ignore terrain equal to or less than height X, thanks to their Speeder X keyword. As elements of the pictured obstacle terrain are too tall for them to ignore using Speeder X, they may not place their movement tool overlapping those features. 

Assuming the above rules are followed in placing the movement tool, they may perform an overrun attack at the end of such a move, even if the miniatures are stopped short as they move along the movement tool.

2 hours ago, Carey said:

2) unable to reach target's height

Second case: lets say i have some geonosians that want to overrun an unit. But between them, there is a height 4 wall. Geonosians cannot jump over that wall, but they can place the manoeuver tool over it, overlapping the target, and stopping their movement near the wall. Can they do the overrun attack? very similar question: the moving unit cannot reach the height of the target (pictured: swoops with Speeder 1 and Scouts on a Height 2 building). Since the tool overlaps them, can the overrun attack occur?

No, this unit may not perform an overrun attack following this move, as their movement tool is not placed in a legal fashion and so they cannot perform this move as-pictured at all. For more detail, refer to the rules quoted above; as the Swoop Bikers cannot ignore this height 2 terrain, they may not place their movement tool overlapping it.

2 hours ago, Carey said:

3): leaving battlefield

Last one, using the "leaving the battlefield" blue insert that states "Units may not voluntarily end a movement with any of its miniature’s bases partially or fully outside the battlefield. A miniature may leave the battlefield temporarily if it ends its movement with its base fully inside the battlefield, such as when a unit with a notched base moves along the movement tool. If this is not possible, the miniature stops its movement when it contacts the edge of the battlefield, then it loses any remaining actions and may not perform any free actions."

Lets say i have a Dewback in that case: he wants to make a move that makes him leaving the battlefield, but since he cannot end his move on the battlefield (due to some terrain or miniature standing in the way), he "bumps" the edge and thus, looses the ability to make a free attack action granted by Relentless keyword.

Lets say i have Swoops in the same exact case: they "bump" the edge, but as Overrun is not described as an action, but as an attack, they can do the overrun attack?

As an overrun attack is not an action - free or otherwise - it may be performed after a move that was ended prematurely due to the edge of the table.

Hope this helps,
Seth