Scooper396 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) If I use Sleeper agent on a character, and they attack an enemy, do not daze them with the attack roll itself, but daze them with a throw built into the attack, do I lose Subterfuge as the attack did not daze them even if the throw after did. E.G. I use Sleeper Agent on Black Swan, she attacks an enemy with Everything Dies, they are not dazed, but I trigger the throw and manage to throw them into terrain, dealing one damage and dazing them. My assumption is that because the throw here is 'after the attack has resolved' I will lose Subterfuge, but Im honestly not sure. Edited November 4, 2022 by Scooper396 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negoldar Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 The attack needs to Daze or KO the target. Triggered effects are not attack damage so they will not prevent Subterfuge from being removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrimTheCat Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Can the Trigger effects happen before the character loses Subterfuge? Could Black Swan throw and Eye beam before she loses Subterfuge? (making it not possible to Brace for Impact the Throw?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negoldar Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, TrimTheCat said: Can the Trigger effects happen before the character loses Subterfuge? Could Black Swan throw and Eye beam before she loses Subterfuge? (making it not possible to Brace for Impact the Throw?) Yes, if they resolve before Subterfuge is removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechLee Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just curious, why would the opponent not be able to Brace the throw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negoldar Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 hour ago, TechLee said: Just curious, why would the opponent not be able to Brace the throw? Subterfuge prevents it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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